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« on: April 08, 2007, 02:47:09 AM »
Aaron or Stakk, how will the expected sale of Brimstone to the state of TN affect the use of the area for outdoor enthusiasts?

Is the leasing of hunting areas going to be continued or will there be a" wait and see " attitude ?

 Will the sale of permits continue or be discontinued with the purchase by the state gaining momentum?

Have you guys received any input from the land company in regards to the sale?

Will atv's, jeeps, rail buggies, still have access, or will it be shut down to horses only, like Big South Fork?
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« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2007, 05:43:51 AM »
Gosh, I hope this is a late April Fools's joke.  I would hate to see this happen.  You guys and gals have done such a good job already on Brimstone to have it turned over to the state.

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« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2007, 05:46:02 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2007, 06:46:41 AM »
http://www.ihoneida.com/news/2007/040507brimstone.html

there will be an article in knoxnews.com as well in a few days
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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2007, 09:10:32 AM »
GMO has  put the property on the market....... and yes it is a "wait and see" type of thing, to answer your question's if this deal does go through there are NO GUARENTEE'S to anything, the riding and land access could go on forever or it could stop altogether......... I really hope and pray it stays the way it is.......... bear in mind that right now the fee's for land use are::::::

$15.00 = (local adult)
$10.00 = (under 18 local)

$55.00 = (non local adult)
$30.00 = (under 18 non local)

if the TWRA takes control the fee will be::::

$61.00 = (Tn residents)
$191.00 = (non Tn residents)

So as everyone can see, with it staying like it is, the permits are cheaper and staying in the hands of the locals always guarentee's a place to ride....... this whole thing is very complicated and I can't seem to get it figured out myself, but the truth is, that the property is up for sale and the state is looking to partner with 2-3 other company's in a purchase deal....... whenever something is concrete we will pass the word along, this would be a great time for everyone that reside in the state of Tn. to contact their state representative and voice their opinion and concern about this matter..........Stakk
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2007, 04:50:53 PM »
that really sucks,  what the hell is going on?????????????
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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2007, 02:03:49 AM »
WARTBURG, Tenn. - A pastoral quality invites comparison of the landscape to Cades Cove. A red-shouldered hawk darts through the hemlocks, and warblers singing in the forest canopy echo the arrival of spring.
The views from the ridge tops rival anything in Great Smoky Mountains National Park.

 
 
 
The 8,000-acre tract near the northwest boundary of Frozen Head State Natural Area at the headwaters of the Emory River is included in the largest conservation effort ever undertaken by the state of Tennessee.

As proposed by Gov. Phil Bredesen, the project would protect almost 124,000 acres of forestland valued at nearly $150 million in the Cumberland Mountains of Scott, Campbell, Anderson and Morgan counties.

Partnering with the state in the project is the Nature Conservancy, which plans to invest $11 million, and the Lyme Timber Company, a forestland investment firm based in New Hampshire that specializes in properties with unique conservation values.

Lyme Timber has committed approximately $54 million to the project. The company plans to defray its costs by selling conservation easements that give the state control over nontimber values such as recreation and development rights.



The deal involves three tracts, each with its own conservation strategy. The core of the property is the Martha Sundquist Wildlife Management Area, where the state will purchase the timber rights to 75,000 acres to protect wildlife habitat and water quality.

As part of the agreement, Lyme Timber would sell the conservation easements on 27,000 acres it purchases at Brimstone and on 13,000 acres it purchases at Emory River.

The state's only fee-simple purchase would be an 8,000-acre tract on Love and Bird mountains, in Morgan County, that would almost double the size of Frozen Head State Natural Area.


Unique opportunity
Gina Hanbible, associate state director for the Tennessee chapter of the Nature Conservancy, said the sheer scale of the project necessitates a nontraditional approach.

"The days of going in and buying 124,000 acres outright are over," Hanbible said. "Everybody has to give up something to make this work.

"The timber company has to give up the idea they can cut whatever they want; the conservationists have to give up the idea we can buy it and lock it away; and the state has to give up total ownership."

The forests and rivers of the North Cumberlands are among the most biologically diverse habitats in the world and include some species found only in the Cumberlands.

Conservationists say it's rare that so much contiguous land, with such high conservation value, comes up for sale at the same time.

"The opportunity to protect this kind of area is unprecedented," said Alex Wyss, Cumberlands program coordinator for the Nature Conservancy. "It's an intact forest that's still in good shape."

The Bredesen administration touts economic development as a hallmark of the plan.

The project calls for 90 percent of the acreage to remain working as forest. The bulk of the land would be privately owned and remain on the property tax rolls, while the state would pay "in lieu of" tax payments on properties it purchases outright.


Conservation partners
Jim Fyke, commissioner of the Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation, said the plan calls for public access on all 124,000 acres.

"We're committed to providing the same recreational activities and public uses that have been available all along," Fyke said. "The governor believes there is room at the table for economic development, tourism and conservation. This project has all those ingredients."

The state's share of the North Cumberland Conservation Plan is part of a general obligation bond package the state finances every year for capital projects, Fyke said.

The $82 million would come from a state bond issue included in Gov. Bredesen's current budget proposal.

The North Cumberland Conservation Plan is the most ambitious of a series of land conservation projects spearheaded by the Bredesen administration.

In 2005, the administration set aside $10 million for the Heritage Conservation Trust Fund that has been leveraged to acquire more than 15,000 acres, and last year the Legislature allocated $20 million in bonds to purchase 12,500 acres of Bowater Inc. property on the Cumberland Plateau.

Rick Keeton, Scott County mayor, said the project appears to make no objectionable changes to the status quo.

"The property taxes and timber production will continue, and we'll have the ability to use the land for various forms of recreation," he said. "We'll have to see if the partnership that has been outlined can work efficiently."

Rex Lynch, Anderson County mayor, said that from a conservation standpoint, he believes the state is doing the right thing.

"One of our main concerns was that we'd continue getting some kind of taxes on it, and I was told that we would," Lynch said. "Really, I don't see a lot of impact on us."


http://knoxnews.com/kns/gs_news/article/0,1406,KNS_392_5471318,00.html

I have had problems with the links from this site so that is why i double posted.....  

1 concern going around on another board since this has come out is,,, will there be a private development going in ?

Mark, were the japanese scoping out a new test area for ATV's ?
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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2007, 07:25:32 AM »
What is the time frame ,we have planned to be there at the end of the month. Should we plan to go some other place or what??????     Another prime exaple of the GOV. wasting money on s*** that does not matter, I give it 5 years and there will be nowhere worth a f#$k to ride anywhere. Who has $150,000,000 to stop this crap----NOBODY , IT'S OVER you watch and see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :x  :x  :x  :x  :x

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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2007, 08:37:56 AM »
Looks like we need to start up a flood of e-mails to the governor and our representatives.

As a local who grew up in Robbins, this really upsets me. I have seen this property change many times. When I was young, the coal mines were working, and we still hunted and rode the area. When the mines shut down, it coincided with the developement of atv's, and you started seeing a lot more folks up there, along with much more trash. This bothered me and I confronted many a person when I saw them throw a beer bottle on the ground.

My ancesters came from Brummit Mountain, and I have relative that live all around that area now.

When I heard that the property was sold and being turned into a pay to use area, I had some devided feelings, especially since I heartliy despise one of the managers. In the end, I have come around, mainly because I have seen the improvement in the trails, and the lessening of the trash. I feel they have done an outstanding job.

If the state will recognise the need for this area to remain open to riding, I will grudgingly accept this. My real feelings are that the state would be better off using the money on the school systems and meth interdiction.

I have lived all over the US as an adult, but always came home to Scott county, nowhere felt like this place does. Today, I own my home on Wolf Creek, aloing with property in Morgan county, and bordering Catoosa in Cumberland county. I do not want Scott county developed, I wish it could have stayed small like when I was a kid in the 60's and 70's, but time doesn't wait for anyone, and politicians always want growth.

Look to the BSF. The proposed developement never came into being. There are a select few who really use this land, and I am afraid that this wil be the result for Brimstone.

STAKK and Mark, keep up the good work..... Vance, maybe we can ride a bit later this month, after i get a new axle for the Grizzly and if I don't get hurt at Aonia Pass.

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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2007, 08:59:39 AM »
as I said, this sucks.  the land up through there is beautul.  I have meet some really nice locals up through the brimstone area and look forward to everytime I go up.  being from ga I dont know if my voice will make a hill of beans but if any one can tell me who to email I will do what ever I can to help..
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2007, 09:08:03 AM »
Cathead, IF this goes through it will most likely happen at the end of this year, so please come on and enjoy.......... Folks, I want to thank all that have posted here with their support, Myself and a lot of other's have busted our hump's to get Brimstone Recreation going and coming from me, this whole thing has felt like a "kick in the teeth"......... anyone that can please contact your state rep's and oppose this buyout if that is how you feel.......... They seem to be saying that things will stay the same as they are, but I bet they won't put that in writing......... I am real nervous about it, as if they do get control, they can do whatever they want, right now we have a place to ride and enjoy at a fair price, who know's if this land deal goes through???????? Tommy Kilby is our state senator (www.tommykilby.com) send him an email and tell him what you think Les winningham is state Rep, and Lincoln Davis is Congressman........... As far as me, I think those million's of dollars would be better spent on something else, like putting those people that need health insurance back on it, instead of partnering to spend it on land they don't need, I think the state already owns enough land and this upsets me...... BTW, they can all say, that they will continue to pay property payments in lew of taxes, but are they willing to put that in writing? NO, they get it, they can do what they want, it can come off the tax roles just like all the other state owned property and Scott County would get nothing......... Folks now more than ever is time to let your voice be heard, please email, call or write a letter and let the state lawmakers know what you want them to do, or don't want them to do with your money.........
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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2007, 09:29:12 AM »
The number in Nashville Tn for the state legislature and Senator Kilby's office is 800-449-8366 (ext. 11449)  please take a moment to call this number and let them know if you oppose Gov. Bredesen's plan to purchase the Brimstone tract under the Upper Cumberland Conservation plan....... It's very important to let them know withing the next few weeks as this will start to move forward next session.......Stakk
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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2007, 09:33:36 AM »
Also, our State Representative is Les Winningham and he can be reached at 423-286-9090 or 423-663-3416......... let your voice be heard folks and Thanks so much for the support.....
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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2007, 12:58:59 PM »
here is a link to some of the tn govt.  http://www.legislature.state.tn.us/


Here is a quote from the new sentinel article that should really make you think about some of the motives.....

" The company plans to defray its costs by selling conservation easements that give the state control over nontimber values such as recreation and development rights. "

Now what kind of development are they talking about? This is very similar to TWRC's proposal to modify the law permiting quota hunt application fees for sportsman license special hunt. This was supposed to be for the proposed elk hunt, but the wording would have opened the door for any quota hunt to be  deemed special.

Politicians are slippery snake oil salesmen and they are very difficult to pin down when it comes time for the truth to be told.

The managers that are running the brimstone recreation area have been in contact with Bob Hodge of the New Sentinel and i would suggest that they get in touch with him again.  Bob's article and with support from another web site were instrumental in  turning around the special hunts fee.


Guys there is a lot more land at stake than just the brimstone parcel. I will refer you to the map in the knoxnews article.

To me, this has the possiblilities and potential of being a great thing  for the people of the communties surrounding the area... But until there is a iron clad explanation of what  "state control over nontimber values such as recreation and development rights. "  means, I would be leery of it.

Surely there will be some public meetings since this will affect the tax payers of TN.  Also there needs to be a lawyer that could gleam over the states proposals.
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